Tuesday, October 06, 2015

After the 'lío'

"After the 'lío'" Fr. Ray Blake's Blog, October 6, 2015):
I have been pondering the connection between 'trust' and 'faith'. Because Christ gave us a Church founded on the Apostles rather than a book in order for people to believe in Christ they must first of all trust the Apostles, the bishops are the successors of the Apostles. Perhaps the saddest development in the Church has been the break down in trust between the faithful and their bishops and maybe equally important the paralleled break down in the trust between the world and the Church, to the point, in the West at least, where the idea of the Church was on the verge of becoming toxic.

The child abuse crisis was certainly one important contributor contributor to this toxicity. It is interesting to compare the two ways in which Francis and Benedict dealt with it. Benedict, with a truly pastoral heart, dealt personally with cases brought to him. It was his Friday penance to weep over and deal with the dossiers, and every pastoral visit had with it a meeting with the abused and a public apology. Francis, a more political Pope, or perhaps just a more skilled administrator, has set up a commission to deal with the matter, has had a few meetings with abused but still feels able to console the US bishops on the suffering they endured over the issue and is confident enough to invite Cardinal Daneels, who has a well documented history of cover-up to the Synod, and the media seem quite disinterested.

One of things we might admire Francis for is taking the poison out of the relationship between the Church and the world. In many ways he is less revolutionary than his predecessor, he says and does the things the world expects the Pope to say and do. One of the problems is perhaps that he appeals more to those outside the Church than those inside it. Benedict carefully chose to conceal the Papacy under signs and symbols, Francis has got rid of most of those and placed his personality front and centre. The world seems more comfortable with that, it can deal with 'personalities' especially political ones. One of things that fascinates me is that, listening to the Pope, I never quite know what he is saying or I think he is saying one thing, only to have it readjusted a few days later, if it has caused a little storm in the media, by Fr Lombardi, who carefully explains what His Holiness had really meant.

The change in the relationship of the Church and the media is the most significant but within the Church Francis seems to be much more divisive figure. 'Cardinals are fighting like ferrets in a sack', as one commentator said recently. The bishops arriving at the Synod can easily be divided into 'innovators' and those who oppose them, even Cardinal Prefects speak openly of the possibility of schism. There is a sense of suspicion alive in the Church, an open mistrust of certain bishops and some even dare to suggest that the Pope himself is not to be trusted, though more loyal Catholics are likely to criticise the Pope's ministers rather than the Pope himself. There seems in some instances a visceral hatred of Francis on some internet sites.

Again, as one recent commentator said, 'No-one disputes Pope Francis can make a mess (lio), now he must bring order out of the mess'. Perhaps Cardinal Erdo's opening speech to the Synod yesterday was the beginnings of that. The Papacy as portrayed by both Vatican Councils is hardly the vision most Catholics have. Pastor Aeternus seems a closed book to many Catholics and certainly to the worldly media (Dr DeVille has a very good article on the limits of Papal authority). Jesus Christ, not the Pope, is after all the head of the Church, though many Catholics, even some bishops might go along with the rather iffy Mgr Pinto of the, Dean of the Rota saying,  "The Jubilee Year of Mercy expects this sign of humble obedience (on the part of the Church's shepherds) to the Spirit who speaks to them through Francis". That is just Ultramontane heresy, with friends like that who needs enemies?

The centrality of Peter is essential to the Church, it is Dr DeVille points out at the service of 'unity'. After the lio Pope Francis has to re-establish trust not just in himself but in but in the bishops in the Church as he has done outside it in his Papacy, because trust is an essential to faith and mistrust of the Pope and Bishops is seriously damaging to the Church's integrity and ultimately to individuals' faith. Unitatis Redintegratio is clear that not only is disunity a scandal but it is also detrimental to faith. Speaking for myself the shifting sands of the build up to the Synod has hardly strengthened my faith.


Amateur Brain Surgeon


The 1917 Catholic Encyclopedia, in the entry, Pope, describes the duties of the Pope:

He is the principle of unity, of stability, of increase. He is the principle of unity, since what is not joined to the that foundation is not part of the Church; of stability, since it is the firmness of this foundation in the virtue of which the Church remains unshaken by the storms which buffet her; of increase since, if she grows, it is because new stones are laid on this foundation.

Come on, who does Our Pope and Our Cross think he is kidding with his positions, prose, and praxis, virtually all of which are contrary not only to that described by the Encyclopedia but is opposed to the entirety of Tradition and especially opposed to the specific teaching in Familiaris Consortio (no communion to adulterers) by Pope Saint John Paul II, and which teaching elegantly reiterated the multi-millennial discipline directly, intricately, and inseparably entwined in Bible, Church, and Tradition.

In Vatican 1 it is infallibly taught that Jesus exercises His judgment in the judgments of the Popes but look at the chaos and confusion that is befalling us now that Our Pope and Our Cross will not exercise his judgment vis a vis the infallible and perennial dogmatic definitions of His Church; and make no mistake about it; this is Jesus' One Holy Roman Catholic and Apostolic Church it is not the Church of Franciscus.

Pope Paul VI described as "auto destruction," the nitwittery heterodoxy, schisms, heresies, and general lunacy trailing in the wake of Vatican Two and Our Pope and Our Cross is intensifying and increasing all of those malign realities and still invisibilum within the Hierarchy is that Prelate whose puissant possession of Tradition is such that it could be applied as a force against our Inertia Into Indifferentism.

Observes, Fr. Blake. No-one disputes Pope Francis can make a mess (lio), now he must bring order out of the mess'.

There are not a few who think the chaos was intentional and that Franciscus will claim that he is what he isn't (what is described in the Encyclopedia) and that we must all now follow him who, as Pope, embodies the stability and unity subsumed in his person, and, thus, any and all changes can be considered orthodox owing to his office (which he, so far, has effectively refused to actualise)

Look, this is ALL hooey on steroids and the approach of Our Pope and Our Cross is completely contrary to what Saint Vincent of Lerins taught in Commonitorium

That can be found at New Advent under Church Fathers and it ought be read and reread and then read again for it teaches what the layman must known and understand about revolutionary times and it teaches the layman that these sorts of trials are the way God tests us to see if we love Him and we do not show our love of God by accepting noxious novelties and new disciplines that are countrary to the disciplines of thousands of years.

Franciscus is a very dangerous man and ABS can not see any way to consider him as other than an antiChrist.

Joe Piotrowski


Catholicism of the present day is about emotionalism, sentimentality and self-regard. Today's Church's mission statement is a resolution to engorge the pleasure centers of members of the faith community with double-shots of all three. Salvation used to be a matter of sin or sanctification. Now righteousness = sin and niceness = sanctification. This is not an airy prediction of the future. This is the concrete situation. Only a fool would believe that restoration is possible, or that more than a handful of people, few if any of them ordained, even want it.

bill bannon


Dr. DeVille neglected to mention that his hero, St. John Paul II was extremely creative on death penalties ( he quotes Gen.9:5-6 in sect.39 of EV only after removing the dp part) and messy by seeking an end to the death penalty based on allegedly wonderfully secure prisons of the modern world as though Brazil and Mexico, the two largest Catholic countries, have secure prisons ( read the current Economist on Brazil's prisons)...and as though deterring the one murderer you caught is what deterrence is. No....deterrence is about deterring the 92% of murderers in Brazil that you never catch.....and the 95% of murderers that Catholic Quatemala never catches. Deterrence is not about the few murderers you actually capture in Catholic Latin America.