Thursday, November 21, 2013

Michael Matt against "piling on" Pope Francis

Pope Francis and The three Amigos - Hilarious analogy.


Ghost of Tyburn


I'd like to be the first to point out that the Three Amigos has a Trinitarian echo.

(You're welcome).

Ralph Roister-Doister


This message of unification and coming together issues from a gent who styles himself as residing in the "catacombs," amidst the piled skulls of martyrs.

Still, there is a fair point to made here: Francis ought to be given due credit for the things he says which are consistent with Catholic tradition, as opposed to Catholic modernism, which is much more familiar territory for him.

That may be the point Matt thinks he is making. But what he is really saying, as I see it, is that trads ought to be looking to give Francis credit for anything he says that does not damage or discredit them directly. For example, he says that we ought to give Francis credit for not rolling back Summorum Pontificum, merely "ignoring" it.

How much credit does a pontiff deserve for pausing occasionally in his criticism and ridicule of one portion of his flock to NOT DISALLOW them something they value highly and to which they are plainly entitled? How strained does the quality of mercy have to be before we can say, "um, Papa, about this . . ."

What "silly old movie" would offer appropriate satire for this behavior? Perhaps the "thank you sir, may I have another?" scene from "Animal House"?

When this pope is not publicly deriding the behavior of traditionalists, he is making very authoritative-sounding statements about Catholic teachings that strike a significant portion of his flock (not just traditionalists) as HIGHLY questionable. Surely the gentleman posing in front of his set design of the brooding catacombs would agree that something ought to be made of this?

James Joseph


His analogy was genius really.

I mulled re-watching the old flicker show immediately after he said that.

I am sure people really do see folks like me and you as clown actors.

If you will... Payasos por Dio.

S. Armaticus


Dear Mr. Papist,

Ran across this Open Letter to the Pope. The link is here:

The author, Randy Engel is calling for the creation of a “Papal Commission of Inquiry into Homosexuality and Pederasty”. And since there is a reform of the Curia afoot, and new Commissions will be created, I think all Faithful Catholics should spread the word and get behind this noble effort.

Yours in Christ,


I am not Spartacus


When it comes to this matter, I much prefer the opinion of Mr. Baker; see his first listed essay



I see him as saying that we must make the most of thing gruel, lest our portions be restricted even further. His "positive" point is correct, as far as it goes: there's no reason to undermine the robustly Catholic gestures made by Pope Francis. However, I think he's being a bit histrionic when he says that by objecting to a witness that is, at times, unbefitting the papal office, traditionalists are just giving fuel to the secular progressives. It is Pope Francis himself who has been giving them more ammo than they know what to do with. That he's trimmed his sails in the past few days is a great sign, and an answer to prayer, but I wonder if Mr. Matt is really prepared toa ccept what it means to be ruled by an Argentinean neo-Jesuit who's actively using his papal soapbox to redress his bad ole conservative ways.

-- Codgitator