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He has not comment on this 'tradition' The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 has heresy and upon this heresy so much of Vatican Council II is based. The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 has heresy upon which so much of Vatican Council II is based. So much of Vatican Council II is based upon an irrational reasoning. The laws of nature, like the laws of reasoning, apply to all I mentioned in a previous post.1The laws of gravity apply to the two popes and all the cardinals and so does the Principle of Non Contradiction. The second part of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 was heretical.It violated the Principle of Non Contradiction. A private letter from Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani at the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston stated ' That is why for a person to obtain his salvation, it is not always required that he be de facto incorporated into the Church as a member'.2 This irrational reasoning was made official in Vatican Council II.
UNITATIS REDINTEGRATIO 3 For men who believe in Christ and have been truly baptized are in communion with the Catholic Church even though this communion is imperfect. -Unitatis redintegratio 3 See the reasoning. Since 'it is not always required' for salvation that a person ' be de facto incorporated into the Church as a member', so 'men who believe in Christ and have been truly baptized are in communion with the Catholic Church even though this communion is imperfect.' and they are not incorporated into the Church as a member e.g Protestants. ___________________
LUMEN GENTIUM 8 'although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure.' -Lumen Gentium 8 'For a person to obtain his salvation, it is not always required that he be de facto incorporated into the Church as a member' so there are 'many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure.' that tend towards salvation.
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NOSTRA AETATE 2 The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions.-Nostra Aetate 2. 'For a person to obtain his salvation, it is not always required that he be de facto incorporated into the Church as a member' and so 'the Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions' it is inferred which are paths to salvation for their members.
She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men. -Nostra Aetate 2 'For a person to obtain his salvation, it is not always required that he be de facto incorporated into the Church as a member' and so Vatican Council II also says, that the Church ' regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she 'holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men. ______________________ CONTINUED
LUMEN GENTIUM 16 Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.-Lumen Gentium 16
'For a person to obtain his salvation, it is not always required that he be de facto incorporated into the Church as a member' and so it can be inferred that 'those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.' and of course these are visible cases, personally known in the flesh in the present times and so they are exceptions to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS. __________________________
This heresy 'For a person to obtain his salvation, it is not always required that he be de facto incorporated into the Church as a member', is based upon invisible cases being visible.It was overlooked in the Catholic Church n 1949.So much of Vatican Council II, as shown above, is based upon it. It was so subtle that Cardinal Ottaviani and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre also did not notice it. The Letter violated the Principle of Non Contradiction.It assumed hypothetical cases like the baptism of desire etc were explicit, seen in the flesh.Mistake!Then Vatican Council II gives the error official recognitiion in UR 3, NA 2,LG 8, LG 16 etc. Invisible for us cases or situations are seen as being visible.This is the irrational premise. Then it is concluded that there are exceptions to the dogma EENS ( Feeneynite).Since allegedly there are known cases of people saved outside the Church without the baptism of water. These imaginary cases were allegedly visible and seen in the flesh to be exceptions to EENS.We know that there cannot be any such known case. Who among us has physically seen or known personally someone saved in imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3) ?
Who among us has physically seen or known personally someone saved with many elements of sanctification and of truth which are found outside of the visible structure of the Catholic Church(LG 8)? Do you know somoene saved in another religion due to things true and holy in those religions(NA 2)? Do you know the name and telephone number of someone who will obtain salvation who through no fault of his own does not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church(LG 16)? How can we know someone outside the Church, who is not a Catholic who is saved since he was sincerely seek God and moved by grace did strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience(LG 16)? This was an innovation in the Church. It contradicted the Principle of Non Contradiction and was not noticed by Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.Nor Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Bishop Bernard Fellay noticed it. They all contradicted the Principle of Non Contradiction. They contradicted the pre-Council of Trent magisterium of the Church which did not interpret imaginary cases as being physically visible. Like the laws of nature, the laws of reasoning also apply to the popes and the traditionalist and sedevacantist bishops. So much of Vatican Council II is based on this false reasoning. All of them wrongly assumed that there were known exceptions in the present time , to 'all being incorporated into the Church de facto as members for salvation.' So the Council becomes a rupture with Tradition, in particular, the dogma EENS and the Syllabus of Errors because of this irrational reasoning, also called the New Theology. We now have the missing link. If we avoid the New Theology Vatican Council II does not contradict the Principle of Non Contradiction. It does not contradit EENS ( Feeneyite) and neither the Syllabus of Errors ( picture the liberals reading this and sweating).It does not contradict, I repeat, the 'rigorist interpretation' of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus , as it was known to the 16th century missionaries. -Lionel Andrades
1. SEPTEMBER 24, 2016
CDF/ Ecclesia Dei would have to clarify that Cushingism from the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 is heresy and that Feeneyism is Catholic orthodoxy http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/09/cdf-ecclesia-dei-would-have-to-clarify.html 2. https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=1467
Catholic faith teaches : All Jews, Muslims, Protestants, Orthodox Christians and other non Catholics in 2016 are oriented to the fires of Hell unless they are incorporated into the Catholic Church as members, with 'faith and baptism' All Jews, Muslims, Protestants, Orthodox Christians and other non Catholics in 2016 are oriented to the fires of Hell unless they are incorporated into the Catholic Church as members, with 'faith and baptism' (Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14), Cantate Domino Council of Florence 1441, Dominus Iesus 20, Nicene Creed, Athanasius Creed etc). So I affirm Vatican Council II with the old ecclesiology.
The difference between me and the First Signatories of the 'Declaration of fidelity to the Church's unchangable teaching on marriage' is :- 1.All the signatoris would be rejecting the traditional teaching on exclusive salvation in the Church 'which comes to us from the Apostles.' 2.All the signatories assume that the baptism of desire refers to visible cases and so is an explicit exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS). 3.The signatories suppose that we can see these hypothetical cases objectively on earth. So they are exceptions to the Church's constant magisterium. -Lionel Andrades
September 29, 2016 What about a Declaration of fideltiy to the Church's unchangable teaching on salvation which has been changed and accepted by all the signatories of the Declaration of fidelity to the Church's unchangable teaching on marriage ? http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/09/what-about-declaration-of-fideltiy-to.html
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He has not comment on this 'tradition'
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 has heresy and upon this heresy so much of Vatican Council II is based.
The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 has heresy upon which so much of Vatican Council II is based.
So much of Vatican Council II is based upon an irrational reasoning.
The laws of nature, like the laws of reasoning, apply to all I mentioned in a previous post.1The laws of gravity apply to the two popes and all the cardinals and so does the Principle of Non Contradiction.
The second part of the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 was heretical.It violated the Principle of Non Contradiction.
A private letter from Cardinal Francesco Marchetti Selvaggiani at the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston stated ' That is why for a person to obtain his salvation, it is not always required that he be de facto incorporated into the Church as a member'.2 This irrational reasoning was made official in Vatican Council II.
UNITATIS REDINTEGRATIO 3
For men who believe in Christ and have been truly baptized are in communion with the Catholic Church even though this communion is imperfect. -Unitatis redintegratio 3
See the reasoning. Since 'it is not always required' for salvation that a person ' be de facto incorporated into the Church as a member', so 'men who believe in Christ and have been truly baptized are in communion with the Catholic Church even though this communion is imperfect.' and they are not incorporated into the Church as a member e.g Protestants.
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LUMEN GENTIUM 8
'although many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure.' -Lumen Gentium 8
'For a person to obtain his salvation, it is not always required that he be de facto incorporated into the Church as a member' so there are 'many elements of sanctification and of truth are found outside of its visible structure.' that tend towards salvation.
_________________
NOSTRA AETATE 2
The Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions.-Nostra Aetate 2.
'For a person to obtain his salvation, it is not always required that he be de facto incorporated into the Church as a member' and so 'the Catholic Church rejects nothing that is true and holy in these religions' it is inferred which are paths to salvation for their members.
She regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men. -Nostra Aetate 2
'For a person to obtain his salvation, it is not always required that he be de facto incorporated into the Church as a member' and so Vatican Council II also says, that the Church ' regards with sincere reverence those ways of conduct and of life, those precepts and teachings which, though differing in many aspects from the ones she 'holds and sets forth, nonetheless often reflect a ray of that Truth which enlightens all men.
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LUMEN GENTIUM 16
Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.-Lumen Gentium 16
'For a person to obtain his salvation, it is not always required that he be de facto incorporated into the Church as a member' and so it can be inferred that 'those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.' and of course these are visible cases, personally known in the flesh in the present times and so they are exceptions to the Feeneyite interpretation of the dogma EENS.
__________________________
This heresy 'For a person to obtain his salvation, it is not always required that he be de facto incorporated into the Church as a member', is based upon invisible cases being visible.It was overlooked in the Catholic Church n 1949.So much of Vatican Council II, as shown above, is based upon it. It was so subtle that Cardinal Ottaviani and Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre also did not notice it.
The Letter violated the Principle of Non Contradiction.It assumed hypothetical cases like the baptism of desire etc were explicit, seen in the flesh.Mistake!Then Vatican Council II gives the error official recognitiion in UR 3, NA 2,LG 8, LG 16 etc. Invisible for us cases or situations are seen as being visible.This is the irrational premise. Then it is concluded that there are exceptions to the dogma EENS ( Feeneynite).Since allegedly there are known cases of people saved outside the Church without the baptism of water.
These imaginary cases were allegedly visible and seen in the flesh to be exceptions to EENS.We know that there cannot be any such known case.
Who among us has physically seen or known personally someone saved in imperfect communion with the Church(UR 3) ?
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Who among us has physically seen or known personally someone saved with many elements of sanctification and of truth which are found outside of the visible structure of the Catholic Church(LG 8)?
Do you know somoene saved in another religion due to things true and holy in those religions(NA 2)?
Do you know the name and telephone number of someone who will obtain salvation who through no fault of his own does not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church(LG 16)?
How can we know someone outside the Church, who is not a Catholic who is saved since he was sincerely seek God and moved by grace did strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience(LG 16)?
This was an innovation in the Church.
It contradicted the Principle of Non Contradiction and was not noticed by Pope John Paul II and Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger.Nor Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Bishop Bernard Fellay noticed it.
They all contradicted the Principle of Non Contradiction.
They contradicted the pre-Council of Trent magisterium of the Church which did not interpret imaginary cases as being physically visible.
Like the laws of nature, the laws of reasoning also apply to the popes and the traditionalist and sedevacantist bishops.
So much of Vatican Council II is based on this false reasoning.
All of them wrongly assumed that there were known exceptions in the present time , to 'all being incorporated into the Church de facto as members for salvation.'
So the Council becomes a rupture with Tradition, in particular, the dogma EENS and the Syllabus of Errors because of this irrational reasoning, also called the New Theology.
We now have the missing link.
If we avoid the New Theology Vatican Council II does not contradict the Principle of Non Contradiction. It does not contradit EENS ( Feeneyite) and neither the Syllabus of Errors ( picture the liberals reading this and sweating).It does not contradict, I repeat, the 'rigorist interpretation' of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus , as it was known to the 16th century missionaries.
-Lionel Andrades
1.
SEPTEMBER 24, 2016
CDF/ Ecclesia Dei would have to clarify that Cushingism from the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 is heresy and that Feeneyism is Catholic orthodoxy http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/09/cdf-ecclesia-dei-would-have-to-clarify.html
2.
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=1467
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/09/the-letter-of-holy-office-1949-has.html
Catholic faith teaches : All Jews, Muslims, Protestants, Orthodox Christians and other non Catholics in 2016 are oriented to the fires of Hell unless they are incorporated into the Catholic Church as members, with 'faith and baptism'
All Jews, Muslims, Protestants, Orthodox Christians and other non Catholics in 2016 are oriented to the fires of Hell unless they are incorporated into the Catholic Church as members, with 'faith and baptism' (Vatican Council II (AG 7, LG 14), Cantate Domino Council of Florence 1441, Dominus Iesus 20, Nicene Creed, Athanasius Creed etc). So I affirm Vatican Council II with the old ecclesiology.
The difference between me and the First Signatories of the 'Declaration of fidelity to the Church's unchangable teaching on marriage' is :-
1.All the signatoris would be rejecting the traditional teaching on exclusive salvation in the Church 'which comes to us from the Apostles.'
2.All the signatories assume that the baptism of desire refers to visible cases and so is an explicit exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus(EENS).
3.The signatories suppose that we can see these hypothetical cases objectively on earth. So they are exceptions to the Church's constant magisterium.
-Lionel Andrades
September 29, 2016
What about a Declaration of fideltiy to the Church's unchangable teaching on salvation which has been changed and accepted by all the signatories of the Declaration of fidelity to the Church's unchangable teaching on marriage ?
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/09/what-about-declaration-of-fideltiy-to.html
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