Tuesday, May 17, 2016

Pope Francis: "The SSPX are Catholics on the path to full communion"

"Pope Francis speaks: "The Society of St. Piux X are Catholics on the path to full communion" (Rorate Caeli, May 16, 2016), via La Croix. Excerpt:
La Croix: You received, on the past April 1st, Bp. Bernard Fellay, Superior-General of the Society of Saint Pius X. Is the reintegration of the Lefebvrists in the Church once again being considered?

Pope Francis: In Buenos Aires, I always spoke with them. They saluted me, they asked for [my] blessing on their knees. They consider themselves Catholic. They love the Church. Bp. Fellay is a man with whom we can dialogue. It is not the case of other somewhat strange elements, such as Bp. Williamson, or others who have radicalized. I think, as I had expressed in Argentina, that they are Catholics on the path to full communion. During this Year of Mercy, it seemed that I should authorize their confessors to pardon the sin of abortion.[*] They thanked me for this gesture. Before that, Benedict XVI, whom they respect greatly, had liberalized the Mass according to the Tridentine Rite. We dialogue well, we do a good work.
It seems one can expect just about anything from this pontificate. In the meantime, our correspondent, Guy Noir, asks whether this is in fact newsworthy, stating that he isn't sure. "I'd be interested in what Fellay says about Francis!" he writes, "Does that make me heretical?" Funny man.


7 comments:








Catholic Mission

said...


There is still hope that the SSPX can turn things around without compromising on Vatican Council II ( interpreted with the irrrational premise and conclusion)
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2016/05/there-is-still-hope-that-sspx-can-turn.html





c matt

said...

Confusing, as usual. How can one be Catholic, yet only "on the road to full communion?" Not sure what that means.





Anonymous

said...

HAD LIBERALISED THE MASS ACCORDING TO THE TRIDENTINE RITE! HUH!





Hamilton Burger

said...

Helterskelter I is attempting to drive a wedge through the largest and most influential group of traditionalist Catholics. He seems to be having some success.

Why do people drive wedges anyway? Does such a question really need to be discussed?

Here's another question: are traditionalists terminally stupid people? Perhaps we are about to find out.





c matt

said...

Personally, I think Francis' plan is to keep them permanently on the path. Dialogue, his specialty, can make the path interminably long. He cannot deny they are Catholic, but he can keep them in communion limbo. It is diabolically brilliant.





Amateur Brain Surgeon

said...


One well-known exponent of what Tradition really is, is Mr. Ferrara, a columnist for, The Remnant, and it is he who popularised the neologism, Gnostic Twaddle, in reference to the idea - solidly within Tradition- of full and partial communion:

The SSPX affair demonstrates how the ambiguous conciliar neologism “full communion” and its flipside, “partial communion,” cause enormous damage to the Church...

http://www.remnantnewspaper.com/Archives/2011-0205-ferrara-gnostic-twaddle.htm

One suspects he is not the only low information trad who was never learnt the Baltimore Catechism and he spews some splenetic invective about such matters never even once suspecting he is proving himself as one possessed of low information.

Here is The Baltimore Catechism - it preceded the Council he blames for inventing the gnostic twaddle of full and partial communion:


169b. How does a baptized person separate himself from full incorporation in the Mystical Body?

A baptized person separates himself from full incorporation in the Mystical Body by open and deliberate heresy, apostasy or schism.

169c. How does a baptized person separate himself from full incorporation in the Mystical Body by heresy?

A baptized person separates himself from full incorporation in the Mystical Body by heresy when he openly rejects or doubts some doctrine proposed by the Catholic Church as a truth of divine-Catholic faith, though still professing himself a Christian.
169d. When does a baptized person separate himself from full incorporation in the Mystical Body by apostasy?

A baptized person separates himself from full incorporation in the Mystical Body by apostasy when he openly rejects the entire Christian faith.

169e. When does a baptized person separate himself from full incorporation in the Mystical Body by schism?

A baptized person separates himself from full incorporation in the Mystical Body by schism when he openly refuses obedience to the lawful authorities of the Church, particularly to the Pope.

169f. When is a baptized person separated from full incorporation in the Mystical Body by lawful authority?

A baptized person is separated from full incorporation in the Mystical Body by lawful authority when he incurs one of the more severe forms of excommunication.

Ferrara continuously swings and misses at this point and in doing so he reminds one of Ron Herbel's inability to connect. *

* Ron Herbel: ... Herbel, another swingman who had a couple of decent years for the Giants in the 1960s, was a truly awful hitter. In 1964, he went 0-for-47. In 1965, 1-for-49. In 1966, 1-for-38. That's a three-year BA of .015.

Could Amateur Brain Surgeon have developed a more obscure referent?

O, ABS is only having sport with Mr. Ferrara. The vast majority of what he writes is not only accurate, it is a blast to read and ABS suspects he'd get a kick out of this response to his claims.





Pertinacious Papist

said...

ABS, it would be interesting indeed to hear what Mr. Ferrara would say by way of response.

I trust you are right about his amicable disposition.