As Al Kresta said on the radio recently, the notion of a single "Reformation" should be retired. (Just like the myth of "THE Inquisition," I might add.) These are myths that have long been debunked and hold no water. There were numerous self-identified "reformers" with quite differing ideas, and also a Catholic reformation (sometimes called the "counter-reformation"). What all the non-Catholic "reformations" had in common is their uniting theme of anti-Catholicism. Much of what they taught as the "Gospel" is not significantly different from what Holy Mother Church always taught, and that is where we share a common baptism and faith in the common Lord and Savior who is our only hope in life and in death. Where "reformations" become "deformation" always lies in close proximity to their anti-Catholicism.
St. John, the Evangelist, Chapter 17. The High Priestly prayer of Jesus that His disciples might all be "one."
I think that for all practical purposes we are all Protestants now. Since John XXIII and Vatican II all the offical Popes of the Catholic Church were heretics, and thus non-Catholic Popes, and for that reason non-Popes. A "Pope" who's a heretic is no Pope at all.
ReplyDeleteSo, Catholicism, in any traditional sense of the word is simply gone. It cannot exist anymore, because no person seriously hold that those who occupied the seat of St. Peter after Pius XII were Popes if at the same time he wants to uphold Catholic doctrine. All these Popes taught and practiced things there were in flagrant contradiction to it and to any notion of traditional Catholicism.
And since Bergoglio the Buffoon has entered the stage the situation has worsened very much. He is hell-bent on dismantling Catholic moral doctrine even on the level of the natural law. Bergoglio is not a heretic, he is an apostate.
The result: Orthodox Protestants and conservative evangelicals nowadays are more Catholic in doctrine as well as in practice than the "Pope", because they at least reject divorce and homosexualism and believe in objective moral criteria and have a traditional notion of sin.
Concluding: Modern Catholics are Protestants because they reject traditional Catholic doctrine and practically reject the whole institution of the Papacy. Traditionalist Catholics are Protestants because they practically (SSPX) or theoretically (Sedevacantists) reject the Popes from John XXIII on. So we are all Protestants now.
So Anon you basically agree with Luther.
ReplyDeleteJesus lied when he said "The gates of Hell will not prevail etc...
>Orthodox Protestants and conservative evangelicals nowadays are more Catholic in doctrine as well as in practice than the "Pope", because they at least reject divorce...
They reject divorce? That is news to me.
I think there is a Protestant here buddy but it's not the post Vatican II Popes or the current Pope.
Just saying....
Anyway let me tell about the day the truth that was hidden was revealed to me.
ReplyDeleteA Protestant lady told me the Bible taught we are not saved by Our own works but by God's Grace Alone.
I read the relevant passages in Saint Paul & I was convinced. She also told me the Catholic Church taught we are saved by our own human works. I was taught from childhood that we had to do good works so what she said seemed plausible to me.
But I wanted to be sure so I had heard somewhere the Council of Trent taught the Catholic doctrine on salvation. So I thought I should give it a read.
If it taught I should be saved by my own works then I couldn't in good conscience follow the Church and the Bible at the same time.
Well I got a copy of Trent. I looked in the table of contents where is said Session Six canons on Justification. Which I read. However I only read the first Canon.
"If any one saith, that man may be justified before God by his own works, whether done through the teaching of human nature, or that of the law, without the grace of God through Jesus Christ; let him be anathema."
So either Catholic Church excommunicates me for believing in the very doctrine it supposedly teaches or this lady nice as she was happened to be wrong.
It was then I learned Protestants are not a good source of knowledge on authentic Catholic teaching.
But I was about 20 & this was the first time I learned the Catholic Church condemned salvation by human works.
Because I was never taught that in seven years of Catholic religious school.
So there you are...
What all the non-Catholic "reformations" had in common is their uniting theme of anti-Catholicism. Much of what they taught as the "Gospel" is not significantly different from what Holy Mother Church always taught, and that is where we share a common baptism...
ReplyDeleteThere is one Faith and one Baptism and one largely unknown consequence of that is that every single protestant child who is validly Baptised is baptized into the Catholic Church but once that child matures to the point of intellectual discretion and refuses to accept the authority of the Catholic Church, he ceases to be a Catholic and becomes a schismatic and/or heretic.
That is one reason it is so heartbreakingly insane for Our Pope and Our Cross to continue his papal praxis of Indifferentism.
He routinely meets with protestants (yes, they are heretics, Virginia) who were Baptised into the Catholic Church but are now heretics/schismatic in danger of losing their souls and he appears not to care one whit; all he does is focus on what, supposedly, unties us.
And still invisibilum within the Hierarchy is he who possesses Tradition to such an extent that it could be applied as a force against our Inertia Into Indifferentism; although, it must be written that Raymond Leo Cardinal Burke does seem to be coming into focus.
The Pope is not the Church, and the Pope can err. Jesus' promise means the Church won't be wiped out, not it won't go astray. The only doctrinal promise we have is the Pope cannot mislead when he speaks Ex Cathedra. But all recent Popes seems determined to emphasize they are NOT speaking Ex Cathedra. So what's the big deal disagreeing with the Pope, or thinking the Church is going down a wrong path? Protestants were wrong to separate, yes, and things are not looking too good in their precincts either, it is evident. It also seems quite evident that Evangelicals as a remnant have a much clearer witness these days to the fact of objective truth, whereas Rome remains in it post-conciliar thrall to Modern vocabularies that confuse. It's a muddy situation granted, and inside the church is where we need to be. But to question the Pope is not to be Protestant, any more than it makes remote sense to call the SSPX "Protestant." James Larson's pieces in this regard underscore the point: http://www.christianorder.com/features/features_2014/features_junejuly14_bonus.html
ReplyDelete>That is one reason it is so heartbreakingly insane for Our Pope and Our Cross to continue his papal praxis of Indifferentism.
ReplyDelete>He routinely meets with protestants (yes, they are heretics, Virginia) who were Baptised into the Catholic Church but are now heretics/schismatic in danger of losing their souls and he appears not to care one whit; all he does is focus on what, supposedly, unties us.
I agree thus meetings with so called Bishop Fellay should cease immediately.
They should just tell him "Hey buddy the Fraternity of St Peter is over there if you want to rejoin the Church the Ark of Salvation otherwise enjoy perishing in the flood".
I am sure everyone here is cool with that.:D