Weird historical claim that the Mass was always said in Latin because it was first said in Greek and the change from the Greek to the vernacular Latin was opposed back then for the same reasons the change to the vernacular is opposed today - tradition, scholarship, preservation of Doctrine, etc
The idea that no matter where one was in the world one could hear the Mass in Latin was a weakness, not a strength; it was the weakness of centralisation, a centralisation of power and authority concentrated in the person of the Pope with the result that the very presumed virtue became for Ireland the vice lamented in the video,
Truly, it would have been better were there to have been preserved the MANY differing Mass languages, and that for many reasons, not the least of which is that one Pope now has the authority/power to do with the Mass what he desires.
Now, if it were a vid about a Gaelic Mass, that'd be more sensible.
Mediator Dei is not the Blessing many trads imagine it to be.
That aside, Ireland lost the Faith a long time ago and that is not attributable solely to the new Mass; besides it is being dismantled before our very eyes
I believe the gist of what you're saying here is embodied in Geoffrey Hull's thesis in his book, The Banished Heart. I agree about the diversity of liturgies being a positive rather than a negative thing, even though a part of me would love to have experienced being able to go to nearly any country in the world and witness the same Mass in the same Language. I'd still take the unity in diversity, I think, over the jack boot imposition by "liturgical experts" of Joncas, Haugen, Haas, a bevy of lay "eucharistic ministers," and a degraded Mass full of mainstreamed legalized abuses upon us.
Thank you so much for posting the video, PP. I watched it throughout Christmas and it never failed to bring tears to my jaded eyes, especially the climatic scene when the disheveled 'Daniel' exclaims 'No, no, that is blasphemy; I won't hear it.' Would that such things still mattered to people, that they were ALL that mattered to them. i was never so proud to be Irish. As Belloc said, it was they who preserved the faith in Europe.
IANS,
I cannot believe what I am hearing from you. If ever an institution was supposed to centralized and under the control of one man, it is the HMC- 'Thou art Peter and upon this rock I shall build my Church.' The reasons for the Latin Mass were eloquently stated by the abbot: one voice speaking to the Almighty, also symbolizing the unity of believers and intimating, via an ancient tongue, the mystery of the Sacrifice being represented. 'Always' should be taken as meaning for a long, long time, ever since the HMC managed to organize herself following the Roman persecutions.
Weird historical claim that the Mass was always said in Latin because it was first said in Greek and the change from the Greek to the vernacular Latin was opposed back then for the same reasons the change to the vernacular is opposed today - tradition, scholarship, preservation of Doctrine, etc
ReplyDeleteThe idea that no matter where one was in the world one could hear the Mass in Latin was a weakness, not a strength; it was the weakness of centralisation, a centralisation of power and authority concentrated in the person of the Pope with the result that the very presumed virtue became for Ireland the vice lamented in the video,
Truly, it would have been better were there to have been preserved the MANY differing Mass languages, and that for many reasons, not the least of which is that one Pope now has the authority/power to do with the Mass what he desires.
Now, if it were a vid about a Gaelic Mass, that'd be more sensible.
Mediator Dei is not the Blessing many trads imagine it to be.
That aside, Ireland lost the Faith a long time ago and that is not attributable solely to the new Mass; besides it is being dismantled before our very eyes
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IANS,
ReplyDeleteI believe the gist of what you're saying here is embodied in Geoffrey Hull's thesis in his book, The Banished Heart. I agree about the diversity of liturgies being a positive rather than a negative thing, even though a part of me would love to have experienced being able to go to nearly any country in the world and witness the same Mass in the same Language. I'd still take the unity in diversity, I think, over the jack boot imposition by "liturgical experts" of Joncas, Haugen, Haas, a bevy of lay "eucharistic ministers," and a degraded Mass full of mainstreamed legalized abuses upon us.
Thank you so much for posting the video, PP. I watched it throughout Christmas and it never failed to bring tears to my jaded eyes, especially the climatic scene when the disheveled 'Daniel' exclaims 'No, no, that is blasphemy; I won't hear it.' Would that such things still mattered to people, that they were ALL that mattered to them. i was never so proud to be Irish. As Belloc said, it was they who preserved the faith in Europe.
ReplyDeleteIANS,
I cannot believe what I am hearing from you. If ever an institution was supposed to centralized and under the control of one man, it is the HMC- 'Thou art Peter and upon this rock I shall build my Church.' The reasons for the Latin Mass were eloquently stated by the abbot: one voice speaking to the Almighty, also symbolizing the unity of believers and intimating, via an ancient tongue, the mystery of the Sacrifice being represented. 'Always' should be taken as meaning for a long, long time, ever since the HMC managed to organize herself following the Roman persecutions.