tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6312447.post8457363392677349080..comments2024-01-29T08:39:40.754-05:00Comments on Musings of a Pertinacious Papist: The silence is telling Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6312447.post-32589382797070711352015-03-03T08:03:48.802-05:002015-03-03T08:03:48.802-05:00Dear JM. Raider Fan can both name-drop and claim t...Dear JM. Raider Fan can both name-drop and claim to have passing contact with sanctity because back in Vermont, he was friends with a guy name, Eric, whose Mom was the daughter of Maurin's confederate, Dorothy Day.<br /><br />As to the newly appointed Doctor of the Church, how is that to be understood seeing as how the new Doctor was not a Catholic?Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6312447.post-69088785131668565842015-03-01T22:24:45.918-05:002015-03-01T22:24:45.918-05:00But Raider Fan, are you not dissing the Pope? And ...But Raider Fan, are you not dissing the Pope? And his newly appointed Doctor?<br /><br />Granted, I was already confused. But now I am very confused. Perhaps I should invoke the intercession of any postconciliar Pope/Saint[PCPS] for guidance here, if, that is, they are kept abreat of doctrinal developments that see of the Celestial Divide! ("Gay sex *was* a mortal sin, but that was because you were Very Uptight, Bro' Bellarmine! No offense, Dude!, but we need to check it out wont the Church's latest Doc, Peter Maurin!" Ya know?!JMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06684142528414196410noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6312447.post-79093235206628495822015-02-28T20:22:45.474-05:002015-02-28T20:22:45.474-05:00Catholic Encyclopedia.
Discipline
Object of d...Catholic Encyclopedia. <br /><br /> Discipline <br /><br />Object of discipline<br /><br />...<br /><br />There still remain the obligations incumbent on the faithful considered individually, either on the members of different groups or classes of ecclesiastical society, or, finally, on those who are to any extent whatever depositaries of a portion of the authority. <b>This is discipline properly so called, exterior discipline, established by the free legislation of the Church (not, of course, in a way absolutely independent of natural or Divine law, but outside of, yet akin to this law) for the good government of society and the sanctification of individuals. ..</b><br /><br /><br />Disciplinary power of the Church<br /><br />.. Disciplinary power is proved by the very fact of its exercise; <b>it is an organic necessity in every society whose members it guides to their end by providing them with rules of action.</b>.. <br /><br />... In fact, we need only to recall the numerous laws enacted by the Church in the course of centuries for the maintenance, development, or restoration of the moral and spiritual life of Christians.<br /><br />++ end quote ++++++<br /><br />However, in this new dispensation in the springtime of the new pentecost in the civilisation of love, our Popes desire to be loved, and they are not interested in disciplining its heretical prelates and priests - only the traditional orders are verboten- nor are they interested in our sanctification.<br /><br />The Catholic Church is a perfect society that refuses to defend itself from its internal and external enemies and so that perfect society continues to shrink.<br /><br />Sure, it is madness, but that is the way it has officially been since that opening statement of V2 so no wonder Bishop Cordileone is under such fire.<br /><br />He is acting like a Bishop (Teach, Rule Sanctify) and he is out of step with nearly all other Bishops so of course the average politician is flummoxedMick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6312447.post-16337569082775351702015-02-28T19:45:59.921-05:002015-02-28T19:45:59.921-05:00And the he was Pope, he really went the full ,what...And the he was Pope, he really went the full ,whatever, Monty:<br /><br />NO MORE PROHIBITIONS OR EXCOMMUNICATIONS<br /><br />Having proclaimed Religious Liberty to be a sacred and inalienable right of man, you are no longer able – indeed you do not wish to do so – to exercise any legislative, judicial or coercive power even inside the Church. You would rather be loved than obeyed, and to charm rather than command.<br />You do not see anything which requires to be suppressed ; you are not concerned about “ removing any specific heresies concerning the Church, or… remedying any public disorders – for disorders of this sort have not, thank God, raised their head in our midst. ” (Ecclesiam Suam, No. 44) But they exist, surely, within secular society ? Admittedly. “ The Church … might content itself with conducting an inquiry into the evils current in secular society, condemning them publicly, and fighting a crusade against them… But it seems to Us that the sort of relationship for the Church to establish with the world should be more in the nature of a dialogue, though theoretically other methods are not excluded. ” (Ecclesiam Suam, No. 78)<br /><br />On February 17, 1969 you admitted that grave errors and serious disorders were indeed widespread in the Church. But even then, you preferred to let things take their course : “ It would be easy, and even perhaps our duty to rectify…but… ” But… you would let “ the good people of God do it themselves ” ; and why ? “ You will have noticed, my dear friends, ” you were to say, “ to what extent <b>the style of Our government of the Church seeks to be pastoral, fraternal, humble in spirit and form. It is on this account that, with the help of God, We hope to be loved. </b>” (Address to the Roman Clergy)<br />On 9th July of that year you announced a further stage in the liberalisation of ecclesiastical discipline : “ We are about to see a period of greater freedom in the life of the Church and, therefore, in that of each of her children. This freedom will mean fewer formal obligations, and fewer inward inhibitions. Formal discipline will be reduced, all tyranny will be abolished… Every form of intolerance and absolutism will similarly be abolished. ” And so, at a time of the gravest crisis of Faith and Morals, you inaugurate the anarchy of a “ permissive society ” where all are free to follow the desires and promptings of their private conscience !<br />It was for the same reason that you decided, very early on, to reform the Curia, the Holy Office in particular. (Discourse to the Council on November 18, 1965) On June 15, 1966 the Index was abolished. Soon the Holy Office changed its name and its function ; it would no longer condemn but devote itself to constructive research ! The time of interdicts and excommunications had passed. That was why I had all the difficulty in the world in obtaining my request to be “ judged ” by Rome, because “ that was no longer done ”, as Cardinal Lefebvre explained to me.<br /><br />http://crc-internet.org/further-information/liber-accusationis/in-paulum-sextum/1-heteropraxy/<br /><br />And now we have a Pope who is the child of Pope Blessed Paul VI and a most robust one at thatMick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6312447.post-48800809065160388022015-02-28T19:39:35.633-05:002015-02-28T19:39:35.633-05:00Absent discipline, Doctrine dissolves.
Here is an...Absent discipline, Doctrine dissolves.<br /><br />Here is an excerpt of the opening speech of Vatican Two, delivered by Pope Saint John 23rd but written by the then Abp of Milano, AKA soon-to-canonised Pope Blessed Pau Vl:<br /><br /><br /><br /><i>HOW TO REPRESS ERRORS<br /><br />... And often errors vanish as quickly as they arise, like fog before the sun. The Church has always opposed these errors. Frequently she has condemned them with the greatest severity. Nowadays however, the Spouse of Christ prefers to make use of the medicine of mercy rather than that of severity. She consider that she meets the needs of the present day by demonstrating the validity of her teaching rather than by condemnations. Not, certainly, that there is a lack of fallacious teaching, opinions, and dangerous concepts to be guarded against an dissipated. But these are so obviously in contrast with the right norm of honesty, and have produced such lethal fruits that by now it would seem that men of themselves are inclined to condemn them, particularly those ways of life which despise God and His law or place excessive confidence in technical progress and a well-being based exclusively on the comforts of life. They are ever more deeply convinced of the paramount dignity of the human person and of his perfection as well as of the duties which that implies. Even more important, experience has taught men that violence inflicted on others, the might of arms, and political domination, are of no help at all in finding a happy solution to the grave problems which afflict them.<br />That being so, the Catholic Church, raising the torch of religious truth by means of this Ecumenical Council, desires to show herself to be the loving mother of all, benign, patient, full of mercy and goodness toward the brethren who are separated from her. To mankind, oppressed by so many difficulties, the Church says, as Peter said to the poor who begged alms from him: "I have neither gold nor silver, but what I have I give you; in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, rise and walk" (Acts 3:6). In other words, the Church does not offer to the men of today riches that pass, nor does she promise them merely earthly happiness. But she distributes to them the goods of divine grace which, raising men to the dignity of sons of God, are the most efficacious safeguards and aids toward a more human life. She opens the fountain of her life-giving doctrine which allows men, enlightened by the light of Christ, to understand well what they really are, what their lofty dignity and their purpose are, and, finally, through her children, she spreads everywhere the fullness of Christian charity, than which nothing is more effective in eradicating the seeds of discord, nothing more efficacious in promoting concord, just peace, and the brotherly unity of all. </i><br /><br />One supposes that, in theory, one could have had a worse misreading of the times... but, hey, so what if heresy and insanity and perversion is preached within the Church, what harm could come from that?<br /><br /><br />Mick Jagger Gathers No Mosquehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12879499915093940176noreply@blogger.com