tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6312447.post1394428852627327095..comments2024-01-29T08:39:40.754-05:00Comments on Musings of a Pertinacious Papist: Call for a moratorium on papal interviews, synods, and 'non-magisterial' documentsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6312447.post-65673791282119485032016-02-26T10:47:53.774-05:002016-02-26T10:47:53.774-05:00Relevant to the discussion between Marcel's Gh...Relevant to the discussion between Marcel's Ghost and his reader(s) is the <a href="http://remnantnewspaper.com/web/index.php/articles/item/1284-can-the-church-depose-an-heretical-pope" rel="nofollow">following discussion</a> by Robert J. Siscoe a propos the issue of the 'canonical crime' of heresy (as opposed to the 'mere' sin of heresy), and the question of under what conditions (and how) the Church can depose an heretical pope.Pertinacious Papisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03213911570586726075noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6312447.post-83361718104043719602016-02-25T09:47:10.306-05:002016-02-25T09:47:10.306-05:00The disagreements between my "buddy" and...The disagreements between my "buddy" and I aren't insignificant. Until you understand the gravity of the situation and abandon the minimalistic approach, the disagreements will not cease.<br /><br />There is a distinction between the sin of heresy and canonical crime of heresy. When one knowingly and willingly expresses a judgment at odds with the Church's magisterium, one is formally heretical (the sin of heresy). Are we to believe that Francis is ignorant of the Church's teaching on contraception? Even when an opportunity was offered to "clarify" the remark, the original point made was reiterated by his spokesman. [Further, the reason for which contraception was being justified is so outrageous that it adds to the gravity, so it seems to me. Yet, neither motive nor form is relevant to the matter. Knowledge and opposition are.] <br /><br />So then, the warnings from the Church and the trial by bishops you allude to is not a condition for the sin of heresy. It enters into the picture in the context of establishing the canonical crime of heresy.<br /><br />Analogy: if I commit a murder, I am guilty of sin. There is no juridical process or decision needed to establish that. In fact, no such thing is possible because sin is an offense against divine law (as is heresy). There is, though, such a process and decision required to establish the crime of murder and subsequent punishment (or the canonical crime of heresy). Such is an office against civil (or Church) law. When the Church deposes a pope, this is for procedural reasons in order to lawfully elect a new one (and possibly punish the "pope" for his crime of heresy). And, analogous to a canonization, a person is not "made a saint" by the Church as if it were the Church's decision that placed such a one in Heaven; such a one was already a saint in reality and the Church's decision is simply affirming the reality already in existence. <br /><br />If one, then, is "merely" guilty of the sin of heresy, one ipso facto loses his office in the Church (per Bellarmine).Not That Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14793694853324262365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6312447.post-50427399011549622072016-02-24T22:12:05.732-05:002016-02-24T22:12:05.732-05:00Hey Marcel's mini-me,
You guys are so brillia...Hey Marcel's mini-me,<br /><br />You guys are so brilliant. But it pains me to no end to see you bitch-slapping your buddy in the fox hole beside you because he's not wearing the same color skivvies with purple fleurs-de-lis on his ass. Really.<br /><br />I know you want to label Francis a heretic and be done with him. (Well, no, you've already been there, done that.) The point being that formal heresy is very hard to pin on a pope, because you have to establish obstinate resistance to correction; and so tell me how you and whose army of bishops has done that?<br /><br />But seriously. Go 'refresh' yourself with your circular firing squad elsewhere. Already.Marcel's Banenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6312447.post-36722557346966944092016-02-24T09:06:29.061-05:002016-02-24T09:06:29.061-05:00A tonic? I was glad to find another take on this:...A tonic? I was glad to find another take on this: https://www.novusordowatch.org/wire/index.htm#.Vs237k10yUk<br /><br />The truth is refreshing to the soul. Not That Guyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14793694853324262365noreply@blogger.com